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999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors

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Well I went ahead and just ordered the game off Amazon. I figure either way it's Murphy's Law: I could buy the game and have the price drop soon after, or choose to wait and have the game go out of circulation, becoming expensive and rare. In either case, I'd rather go with chancing the former.

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At best it will become Phoenix Wright status. Now if Askys went out of business; then we'd be in the money.

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I honestly think this game will eventually become expensive and rare.

Agreed. Generally the higher quality niche titles become really hard to find, so it's smart to pick up this game sooner rather than later. Unlike many niche games, however, this has gotten really good reviews, which further supports my recommendation of purchasing it. If you can afford it and are even slightly interested in the gameplay style/premise, then it's worth buying.

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The last game this guy wrote is like $150+ on amazon :kirby-surprised:

What game is that?

Ever 17, idk if it's the last game this guy wrote, but it's the last one that made it to america. The company who localized it went under after release, and since the game is "one of the best VNs of all time" it's incredibly rare/expensive.

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Ever 17 is supposed to be one of the best Visual Novels ever made; I only just got into VNs, but I'd still really like to play it. It's a shame the prices could break a guy's bank account, but maybe I can find a download of it somewhere. I hear 999 draws many storyline similarities from Ever 17, some even calling it a spiritual successor to the Infinity series.

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Well the company who localized it is out of business, so you're morally in the green to do so

I've been playing it, and yes it's very similar to 999.

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Since we're on the topic, what are some Visual Novels that are considered by the general community to be the "best ever"? So far I've only played the Phoenix Wright games (and adored them :3).

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I've heard great things about Umineko no Naku Koro ni (My next want to play, but I'm holding my breath for a ps3 localization), Fate/Stay Night, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai (The anime adaptation is piss in comparison to the VN, but is still highly acclaimed), and Clannad.

You can look here if you want to look into VNs (warning lots are eroge. The images have NSFW warnings though.)

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Since we're on the topic, what are some Visual Novels that are considered by the general community to be the "best ever"? So far I've only played the Phoenix Wright games (and adored them :3).

Including the Miles Edgeworth one with the sequel coming out :kirby-angry:?

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Ever 17? I'm gonna download it. I just found a torrent of it.

Please let me know how it is and whether or not it's unsafe or glitchy. I'd really like to play it as well.

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I've got the torrent... No bugs, but there are plenty of typos. I believe the actual american game is like that though, but it's more than functional.

Note: if you have a 360 you may want to wait for the remake that will inevitably make its way overseas.

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Door q? He and June took a jeep and headed off to an unknown location.

It's never explicitly stated, though, if I'm not mistaken.

Accidents happen.

This is just one of those explanations that cannot make any sense. If it was an innocent mistake like the game implied it to be, yes, I'd understand. But June is able to literally control the future and prevent her own death because of how powerful her transmitting skills were. I'm assuming that the screening process would've had to be "You have a twin? Fuck yeah you're in!" for them to make such a large oversight.

This is irrelevant

No, it's actually perfectly relevant when you consider the final puzzle/boss/news paper section. The puzzle is being solved at the exact same time in both realities, so does this mean that only in this instance time would pass normally for both realities? If so, June would've been dead by the time Junpei got out of his room. It doesn't make any sense that time would suddenly speed up for her convenience, regardless of how much she can project herself into the future.

Plus, on a temporal scale, it's still relevant. If I'm not mistaken, it's implied that she's nearly out of time by the time she and Junpei collectively solve the puzzle. That's fine and dandy, but that begs the question of how long did the whole experience with Junpei last if it was nearly at the end of her allotted time in her reality. It's never established ever, so it's just a giant plot hole that the creators try to use to make the ending more "climactic", but it's just an oversight for affectation. It doesn't make any sense if they're not going to bother to explain it.

Everything was already setup from the game nine years go. They only thing they really had to do was plant the bomb inside the 9th Man, and for all we know that was designed to go off whether or not he went though the door.

Also, Santa bought stock in Cradle Pharmaceutical. I'm guessing that funded it somewhat.

Fine, I guess using the same ship makes sense... until you consider the fact that it'd likely need some form of mechanical touching up to make all the REDs functioning again, and Santa's shown to be anything but an engineer. And sure, he could hire one, but that leads back to the questionability of his source of income.

And typically one needs money to invest in the stock market. They were both orphans, so they could probably scrounge up five dollars, maybe, if they were planning to invest. That's barely any money, even with Cradle's implied success.

Seek a door with a 9 refers specifically to the two Door 9 exits in the coffin room. Door q is a separate thing.

No, the 9 doors didn't lead them outside of the ship, which is what they believed they would do. Because of this, they believed that Zero had lied to them. Instead, the doors lead them to the door with a q on it. But, it's at this point that Junpei says "OH HEY HE SAID Q THE ENTIRE TIME LOL HE WASN'T LYING" (if not here then around this period of time). Basically, Junpei'd have no idea to know that Zero wasn't lying unless he knew Zero explicitly said "seek a door with a q", which he wouldn't have.

This doesn't really change the fact that he still somehow knew that Zero expected them to find a door with a q even though there's absolutely nothing to hint towards this idea except for the way in which the Japanese pronunciations of 9 and q are synonymous. It might sound like I'm harping on this, but it really doesn't make any sense in English, and it either ends up to be lazy translating or lazy writing, both of which are still negative aspects of the game.

Otherwise the hieroglyphic book would have meant nothing to Junpei and they would have never entered the library. It's like how Lotus's primary purpose was to crack the code in Door 8.

The crap? I don't even remember a hieroglyphic book and I couldn't be bothered to go back alllll the way to that point in the game. Maybe I'll look into it later, but k then.

Because this was his attempt at curing the disease.

... And with all his wealth, he could easily sponsor a cure with medical and scientific research to back it.

Clover Seven and Lotus entered Door 1. What most likely happened is that Cap tried to attack them and Seven killed him. Clover took the bracelet later. Alternatively, Clover killed Cap.

None of that is even hinted at happening or stated. There's a difference between inferences and safety-netting the bad writing. I mean, I'm understanding if I mess up and just didn't catch something, but this is literally just adding in crap that the story never developed.

BTW, iirc, Cap was tied up so I don't think it would've even been possible for him to attack them. I think the only legitimately possible theory would be that Clover decided to viciously murder a tied up man for a watch with a 0 on it and somehow hid this knowledge from the people she went into the door with. That just doesn't even make a remote amount of sense.

Considering her survival is default, probably not.

Why wouldn't it though? Maybe I'm just misinterpreting here, but I was under the impression that this entirely proved Ace's apeshit line of thinking. The only issue was the ethics he used to support it, but he still pretty much had a scientific breakthrough on his hands, so I don't really see how it wouldn't have been a success.

Using Nona would be a terrible idea because she would immediately recognize Santa, Snake, June, and Ace. Lotus was also necessary to solve Door 8. Also you could probably also say that this was June's way of giving her the answers she wanted/

In regrads to Nona recognizing everyone, she could've just as easily received a note that said "STFU or u die ololol" like Snake and Clover did.

As for the Lotus being necessary thing, that's more of an aspect that seems secondary to why she'd be included. It's a gameplay aspect that isn't particularly necessary and would only require the computer not needing to be hacked. It's a simple plot point that only really exists to justify Lotus's involvement in the plot, and the way in which she turns into a OMG SAVE MEEEEEEE doll for half of the time doesn't really help her case as a character.

Basically, I don't really see any truly necessary reason for Lotus to break the commonality of direct relevance when the only really substantial reason she'd be included was one that the developers added into the gameplay that happened to be a trivial plot element as well. It just doesn't make sense.

My main thing about the safe ending is that it suffers from the least amount of plot holes and still adequately ends the game. I don't see why everyone loves the true ending when it makes no sense.

I think the whole Akane disappearing thing was a bigger plot hole than any other ending had, and that isn't even a plot hole.

... How isn't it a plot hole? It doesn't make any sense and it's never explained. If Junpei disappeared in the other reality it wouldn't make any sense either. It doesn't make any sense.

Bear, 90% of that stuff is completely irrelevant, and all of it (minus the how long is a minute question, wtf?) has perfectly reasonable explanations. Thankfully Lotus handled it for the most part.

your spacing annoys me

also it's not irrelevant if it can totally derail a plot point the game tries to establish, which every single question I asked does in some way. If you're too blinded by your fanboyism to see that, have fun with your 2cool shades on.

Though I will give an answer for the one Lotus gave you Akane flat out says that she was able to see how things would play out. Akane received all of the information Junpei would have seen, and used it to nudge Junpei in the right direction.

Well duh, I already knew that. That doesn't change anything I've asked at all.

I hope I'm not out of line when I say this, but you sound like you're just trying to make an acclaimed game seem bad to impress others/yourself. I think this because I pull the same crap myself.

YOU'RE NOT ME CRY CRY CRY

but seriously lol, this doesn't change the fact that you didn't really do anything but say I'm wrong because you said so. A+ for creativity though!

Edit: and about the safe ending thing. The true ending is better that's why. It's there to enrich the experience, but if you didn't like it as much, that's your opinion.

I get the opinion thing, but it's just so convoluted to add the aspect of temporal displacement and controlling timelines and alternate realities, especially if the game's not even going to do it sensibly.

If you really need an explanation for something that is a matter of opinion here is an answer you may not like People survive in the True end. You wouldn't get the same astoundment that everything was so perfectly orchestrated to save Akane and get back at the bad guys.

But June disappears in their own reality, and the creator even stated that the Junpei that past Akane controlled will never meet with June ever again in his lifetime. All of it was to save an alternate reality that they likely had no knowledge of beforehand? That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Besides, it's not like characters dying is a bad thing if it's done well. Snake's death was treated very well in the Safe end, and if they had given the attention of a True ending, I'd bet that Clover's death would've been a bit better and hey maybe a better ending than I LOST THE GAME would've happened.

btw, maybe it's just me, but I've never considered PW a Visual Novel and suddenly develop murderous tendencies when people compare it to one. It's got novel-esque writing and development, sure, but having a great narrative doesn't automatically make it apart of a game's genre, even though the gameplay is entirely different. PW is far more involved and there's a greater focus on figuring out everything on your own, but it's just through text. A VN version of PW would be more dependent on reading the story rather than solving the story, if that makes sense.

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Door q? He and June took a jeep and headed off to an unknown location.

It's never explicitly stated, though, if I'm not mistaken.

Accidents happen.

This is just one of those explanations that cannot make any sense. If it was an innocent mistake like the game implied it to be, yes, I'd understand. But June is able to literally control the future and prevent her own death because of how powerful her transmitting skills were. I'm assuming that the screening process would've had to be "You have a twin? Fuck yeah you're in!" for them to make such a large oversight.

This is irrelevant

No, it's actually perfectly relevant when you consider the final puzzle/boss/news paper section. The puzzle is being solved at the exact same time in both realities, so does this mean that only in this instance time would pass normally for both realities? If so, June would've been dead by the time Junpei got out of his room. It doesn't make any sense that time would suddenly speed up for her convenience, regardless of how much she can project herself into the future.

Plus, on a temporal scale, it's still relevant. If I'm not mistaken, it's implied that she's nearly out of time by the time she and Junpei collectively solve the puzzle. That's fine and dandy, but that begs the question of how long did the whole experience with Junpei last if it was nearly at the end of her allotted time in her reality. It's never established ever, so it's just a giant plot hole that the creators try to use to make the ending more "climactic", but it's just an oversight for affectation. It doesn't make any sense if they're not going to bother to explain it.

Everything was already setup from the game nine years go. They only thing they really had to do was plant the bomb inside the 9th Man, and for all we know that was designed to go off whether or not he went though the door.

Also, Santa bought stock in Cradle Pharmaceutical. I'm guessing that funded it somewhat.

Fine, I guess using the same ship makes sense... until you consider the fact that it'd likely need some form of mechanical touching up to make all the REDs functioning again, and Santa's shown to be anything but an engineer. And sure, he could hire one, but that leads back to the questionability of his source of income.

And typically one needs money to invest in the stock market. They were both orphans, so they could probably scrounge up five dollars, maybe, if they were planning to invest. That's barely any money, even with Cradle's implied success.

Seek a door with a 9 refers specifically to the two Door 9 exits in the coffin room. Door q is a separate thing.

No, the 9 doors didn't lead them outside of the ship, which is what they believed they would do. Because of this, they believed that Zero had lied to them. Instead, the doors lead them to the door with a q on it. But, it's at this point that Junpei says "OH HEY HE SAID Q THE ENTIRE TIME LOL HE WASN'T LYING" (if not here then around this period of time). Basically, Junpei'd have no idea to know that Zero wasn't lying unless he knew Zero explicitly said "seek a door with a q", which he wouldn't have.

This doesn't really change the fact that he still somehow knew that Zero expected them to find a door with a q even though there's absolutely nothing to hint towards this idea except for the way in which the Japanese pronunciations of 9 and q are synonymous. It might sound like I'm harping on this, but it really doesn't make any sense in English, and it either ends up to be lazy translating or lazy writing, both of which are still negative aspects of the game.

Otherwise the hieroglyphic book would have meant nothing to Junpei and they would have never entered the library. It's like how Lotus's primary purpose was to crack the code in Door 8.

The crap? I don't even remember a hieroglyphic book and I couldn't be bothered to go back alllll the way to that point in the game. Maybe I'll look into it later, but k then.

Because this was his attempt at curing the disease.

... And with all his wealth, he could easily sponsor a cure with medical and scientific research to back it.

Clover Seven and Lotus entered Door 1. What most likely happened is that Cap tried to attack them and Seven killed him. Clover took the bracelet later. Alternatively, Clover killed Cap.

None of that is even hinted at happening or stated. There's a difference between inferences and safety-netting the bad writing. I mean, I'm understanding if I mess up and just didn't catch something, but this is literally just adding in crap that the story never developed.

BTW, iirc, Cap was tied up so I don't think it would've even been possible for him to attack them. I think the only legitimately possible theory would be that Clover decided to viciously murder a tied up man for a watch with a 0 on it and somehow hid this knowledge from the people she went into the door with. That just doesn't even make a remote amount of sense.

Considering her survival is default, probably not.

Why wouldn't it though? Maybe I'm just misinterpreting here, but I was under the impression that this entirely proved Ace's apeshit line of thinking. The only issue was the ethics he used to support it, but he still pretty much had a scientific breakthrough on his hands, so I don't really see how it wouldn't have been a success.

Using Nona would be a terrible idea because she would immediately recognize Santa, Snake, June, and Ace. Lotus was also necessary to solve Door 8. Also you could probably also say that this was June's way of giving her the answers she wanted/

In regrads to Nona recognizing everyone, she could've just as easily received a note that said "STFU or u die ololol" like Snake and Clover did.

As for the Lotus being necessary thing, that's more of an aspect that seems secondary to why she'd be included. It's a gameplay aspect that isn't particularly necessary and would only require the computer not needing to be hacked. It's a simple plot point that only really exists to justify Lotus's involvement in the plot, and the way in which she turns into a OMG SAVE MEEEEEEE doll for half of the time doesn't really help her case as a character.

Basically, I don't really see any truly necessary reason for Lotus to break the commonality of direct relevance when the only really substantial reason she'd be included was one that the developers added into the gameplay that happened to be a trivial plot element as well. It just doesn't make sense.

My main thing about the safe ending is that it suffers from the least amount of plot holes and still adequately ends the game. I don't see why everyone loves the true ending when it makes no sense.

I think the whole Akane disappearing thing was a bigger plot hole than any other ending had, and that isn't even a plot hole.

... How isn't it a plot hole? It doesn't make any sense and it's never explained. If Junpei disappeared in the other reality it wouldn't make any sense either. It doesn't make any sense.

Bear, 90% of that stuff is completely irrelevant, and all of it (minus the how long is a minute question, wtf?) has perfectly reasonable explanations. Thankfully Lotus handled it for the most part.

your spacing annoys me

also it's not irrelevant if it can totally derail a plot point the game tries to establish, which every single question I asked does in some way. If you're too blinded by your fanboyism to see that, have fun with your 2cool shades on.

Though I will give an answer for the one Lotus gave you Akane flat out says that she was able to see how things would play out. Akane received all of the information Junpei would have seen, and used it to nudge Junpei in the right direction.

Well duh, I already knew that. That doesn't change anything I've asked at all.

I hope I'm not out of line when I say this, but you sound like you're just trying to make an acclaimed game seem bad to impress others/yourself. I think this because I pull the same crap myself.

YOU'RE NOT ME CRY CRY CRY

but seriously lol, this doesn't change the fact that you didn't really do anything but say I'm wrong because you said so. A+ for creativity though!

Edit: and about the safe ending thing. The true ending is better that's why. It's there to enrich the experience, but if you didn't like it as much, that's your opinion.

I get the opinion thing, but it's just so convoluted to add the aspect of temporal displacement and controlling timelines and alternate realities, especially if the game's not even going to do it sensibly.

If you really need an explanation for something that is a matter of opinion here is an answer you may not like People survive in the True end. You wouldn't get the same astoundment that everything was so perfectly orchestrated to save Akane and get back at the bad guys.

But June disappears in their own reality, and the creator even stated that the Junpei that past Akane controlled will never meet with June ever again in his lifetime. All of it was to save an alternate reality that they likely had no knowledge of beforehand? That doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Besides, it's not like characters dying is a bad thing if it's done well. Snake's death was treated very well in the Safe end, and if they had given the attention of a True ending, I'd bet that Clover's death would've been a bit better and hey maybe a better ending than I LOST THE GAME would've happened.

btw, maybe it's just me, but I've never considered PW a Visual Novel and suddenly develop murderous tendencies when people compare it to one. It's got novel-esque writing and development, sure, but having a great narrative doesn't automatically make it apart of a game's genre, even though the gameplay is entirely different. PW is far more involved and there's a greater focus on figuring out everything on your own, but it's just through text. A VN version of PW would be more dependent on reading the story rather than solving the story, if that makes sense.

Yeah it has it's own definition of a game.... A Law and Order kind of game... Man I can't wait for the PL VS PW game!

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Note: if you have a 360 you may want to wait for the remake that will inevitably make its way overseas.

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