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Ever wondered who's the best brawler? Well, I'm sure you've at least debated it. Finally, Console Monster is here to help you finally figure out once and for all who the best Brawler is; or you can just disagree with it, your choice. Here is my list of the top characters in Brawl starting with the worst at 35 and bringing you my conclusion to who I think is the number one brawler. Like all lists there is a criteria for judging the characters, and they are judged in this way (though not in this order), speed, strength, versatility, ease of use, and of course the final smashes. Keep in mind this is one man's list and these are my opinions so please feel free to disagree or agree. Enjoy!

Note: The attacks mentioned are in accordance with a Gamecube controller.



Update: I've noticed this list has been getting a lot of attention. I wanted to clear up a few things.

First and foremost I am not trying to say this is a be all end all list, by any stretch of the imagination.

Secondly, I wrote this because I thought it would be something fun to discuss.

Third. I am not saying I am the best brawler, no way, I'm not that arrogant. So in turn, this editorial only reflects my opinion as a brawl player, it's not something that I am saying is 100% right. Could JigglyPuff kick Kirby's behind even though I put 'her' at 35 and Kirby at 1. Absolutely. All in all the character who is the best depends on the person who is using them. If you notice one of my criteria for best player was ease of use. Thats why I put some of the 'slower' characters where I did, I'm not thinking about just hardcore gamers, I'm thinking about people who have never played brawl as well.

Every character has a strength and weakness, but every character, and hear me on this, every character can not only be good, but a great fighter. So please, do not make this list out to be me saying I'm better than you or that my opinion matters more than yours. It is simply just my opinion. Enjoy.



35. JigglyPuff

Not only do I think Jigglypuff is the worst brawler all around, I think 'she's' the worst character to be put into the game (of those that are already in the game). I would have loved to see Crash Bandicoot or even an easily attainable Nintendo character such as Bowser Jr. being put in. But I've got to give it to 'her', she's been in every game so respect is due. All in all, JigglyPuff is weak and one of her premier attacks, i.e., what 'she' is known for, only makes the opponent helpless for an extremely short time if you haven't worked their HP percentage up. But if you know how to use her and use rest (down b) after using sing, you can send opponents flying. So 'she' does have upside, but not something that the so-so casual player would see. Even though 'she' is at the bottom of the list, 'she' can still whoop you with the right person controlling.



34. Ganondorf

I know, I know, Ganondorf is so freaking strong, but with all that strength comes a horrible downside. He's slower than ice melting in a cold room and if you play free-for-all and everyone decides to gang up on you, you better hope to get a final smash or else you'll get creamed.

33. King DeDeDe

Yes, he can float. Yes he can inhale (but not change his attacks like Kirby). Yes he's big, so he's strong, but honestly, King DeDeDe is just a poser. He's not really that great of a brawler. His hammer can be effective when you land it. But he's nothing overly impressive and he's a HUGE target. HUGE.

32. Bowser

As with King DeDeDe, Bowser's a huge target but you've got to give it to him. He's very dangerous especially when he lands his punches, grabs you or does a down A attack and hits a lot of people with his spin. Bowser's downside is that he's very big and he's higher on the list than KDDD and Ganondorf because he's faster than Ganondorf and has a better set of moves than KDDD.

31. Diddy Kong

He's nimble. He's quick. He's small. But his array of moves are just not there. His side B attack doesn't do much, and it's hard to land, but throwing a banana peel would've been great if this was Mario Kart, and although as cool as his final smash is, it's hard to control and aim. He's fun to play with, but you have to be really committed to have him as your main character.

30. Zelda/Sheik

Zelda can be a real asset for someone who knows how to use her, but in the heat of battle some of her moves take too long and don't land. When she changes into Sheik she's more nimble but the moves aren't as powerful. Plus the down B is given up to change. So in essence you are sacrificing one thing for another. She can be deadly, but she's not near the top.

29. Ice Climbers

"But Jeremy, there are two of them!" Yeah, but what happens when they knock the pink one out - how are you going to get back on the platform? Ice Climbers are fantastic during grab-the-coins and trust me, I played back-to-back-to-back grab the coins against the computer on the semi-hard difficulty and they won every time in a four-person match. They won because there are two of them, but they need each other to be effective and if another person is smart enough and gets them separated, it's bye bye climbing and hello avalanche because they are falling.

28. R.O.B.

I really didn't want to put R.O.B. this low, but I had no choice. His laser has to re-charge and when you do his final smash, it sucks. Seriously, it's no good and it hardly compares to some of the other people on the top of this list; top means scroll down, so I guess that's technically bottom but they are higher up on the number list. R.O.B. has good smash attacks and a great recovery up B move, but it's not worth losing out on his final smash.

27. Toon Link

He's here simply because he's not as good as the real thing and he's lighter. Don't get me wrong, he can be a force to be reckoned with and I like playing with him, but he's just a spawn off of Link and he's not AS good as some of the other characters on this list.

26. Peach

The reason I have Peach here is because of her ability to float and her ridiculous smash attack when it comes to hitting you with a golf club/tennis racket/frying pan. Her final smash sucks! Yes it puts people to sleep, but when they wake up they can eat all her peaches. Peach is the only character with a final smash that can actually benefit other competitors.

25. Donkey Kong

Although really big, Donkey Kong can be nimble like Diddy Kong (not the same as Diddy but like), and he's very strong with just his regular attacks. He can be hard for beginners to learn how to use him, but once you figure it out, DK can be pretty vicious.

24. Mr. Game and Watch

He is deceptively strong. Even though his final smash isn't flashy (just like he isn't much to look at), he'll tear you a new one if you don't watch out. Though he looks like a pipsqueak he's pretty strong... for a 2D character.

23. Pit

Pit is fun to play with. He's got some pretty nifty attacks with Palutena's bow, but really, Pit is not that strong and he's not that quick. He seems strong and he seems quick, but he's not. He's great for a beginner player because they should absolutely have no trouble getting back on the platform with his up B attack. But that's just it, his up B attack does nothing to anyone, it just helps him out by letting him fly across the Atlantic in 5 swoops if he wanted to.

22. Ike

Boy am I gonna get it on this one. Ike is the man. Ike is so dog on strong, but he's slow. Not Ganondorf slow, but it takes a while to lift that strong sword. For the veteran you could make a case that Ike should be number one on this list and I won't argue with you, but overall he's just not the easiest player to figure out and use. But he's got tremendous upside.

21. Wolf

I like Wolf because he's got agility and he has power to boot. But as far as his up B attack and his side B attack go, they are pretty much the same. He's a nice intermediate fighter, but doesn't cross either edge into a beginner or veteran category. To use the tired cliche, he is what he is.

20. Olimar

Olimar is nothing without his Pikmin, but in all fairness it's not hard to pull six Pikmin out of the ground quickly with B. The problem is that there's a lot of luck involved with which Pikmin he gets. Sometimes it'll be a powerful pikmikn to attack with and at other times not so powerful. He does have an upside with how small he is, and his final smash is a surefire hit, but what Olimar gains in size and speed, he gives up in a down B and up B attack. The down B (which calls Pikmin to him wherever they may be stranded on the level) is almost moot since he can get new Pikmin so quickly. It also also allows for a new Pikmin to be put in the front of the line. The up B hardly ever hits anyone and is best used when having six Pikmin so that his "rope" of Pikmin is longer to get back on the level.

19. Meta Knight

This guy rocks! He's quick, can take on multiple enemies, can fly and he reminds you of a stealthy ninja. But he's not strong and his final smash doesn't always hit. Furthermore, if you do his up B attack to try to get back on the platform you better have some serious side-scrolling airplane landing skills or else you'll go straight into the -1 column in the brawl bank.

18. Mario

Yes, all you Nintendo darlings, I put Mario at 18 because that's where he should be, the middle. He's a nice all round character and you'll get a little quickness here, a little smash there, a decent smash attack over there, but all round, Mario is nothing impressive, he's simply efficient - and that ain't bad.

17. Wario

Yes, the arch-rival is better than the good guy. He can ride a bike into you, use the bike and throw it at you, he walks like he's missing a frame-rate and yet he'll punch your lights out. His smash attack doesn't look like much, but he's much stronger because of it. A huge downfall of Wario is his up B doesn't have much range to get you back on the level if you're falling off.

16. Pokemon Trainer

This is another character I wish I could put higher, but the fact is I can't. The reason being is that even though you can choose between 3 characters, you give up a down B attack just like in the case of Zelda/Sheik. Now this doesn't mean the end of the world as you have 'small and quick', 'medium and all round' and 'strong and slow' to choose from. Switching takes time and one pokemon's strength is another pokemon's weakness. My favorite out of the three is Squirtle (16 A) because I think he has the best all around attacks and character build. After him is Charizard (16 B) then Ivysaur (16 C).

15. Sonic

And if you aren't grilling me about Mario, you will grill me on Sonic. Look, Sonic is awesome (now if we could just get him to have a decent solo game), but he's weak. He's the fastest in the game, there's no doubt about it and that can cause some serious headaches for your opponents, but he's weak. His up B attack is great at getting you back on the platform. His spin attacks are awesome (even if it seems as if all his moves are spin attacks), he's still the fastest thing alive, but again, he's weak.

14. Luigi

Deceptively, Luigi is strong. He's not stronger than Wario and he's not as well rounded as Mario, but he embodies something those other two don't have - not to mention his final smash. On most levels, Luigi is a sure-fire hit. His little dagger punches are pretty darn strong, but don't let his demeanor fool you, Luigi will knock you out.

13. Fox

Fox is so dog on fast, but he's not Sonic fast. His moves however are extremely varied and they embody what Fox is; quick and powerful in short bursts. He won't manhandle you with his strength, but when he hits he doesn't hit you once, he hits you three times and then darts out of the way and hits you again (not to mention his up B attack can take all 3 opponents out of the game because it will just encompass them in flames and before you know it, he's gone).

12. Yoshi

Yoshi is big, but not the biggest, fast, but not the fastest, agile, but not the most agilest. Because he is all three of those things, that's earned him a high spot. Sure, his up B move is pretty pathetic when it comes to getting back on the platform, but his double jump should be more than enough in most cases. Yoshi has always intrigued me because he is easy to learn, but hard to master, and that makes for a great character.

11. Ness

Ness just made it out of the top ten because of one thing - learnability (and yes I do know that's not a word, its funny). Yes, you read right, Ness is a little bit harder to control than Lucas. His up, down, and side A attacks are quick, but they aren't that great. Don't get me wrong, Ness is a wonderful brawler, but he had to just squeak out of the top ten because of the ability for gamers to learn how to use him.

10. Captain Falcon

Captain Falcon is surprisingly strong, and my word he's quick. It's amazing, because usually in SSB you have to give up something to be good at another thing, but Capt. Falcon is pretty much one of the most well rounded players in Brawl. Yeah his final smash sort of takes the control away from the player because you are just watching what is essentially a cut-scene, and sure his special attacks aren't the greatest, but he can own you with the right moves.

9. Lucario

One of the most intriguing characters in Brawl. His final smash is sick, let's get that straight, and his moves are strong. He can be slow, sometimes painfully when in the arena with brawlers such as Sonic and Fox, but as he gets hurt, he gets stronger. As a brawler, it's inevitable that your percentage HP is going to go up, but you give me a character like Lucario and I can make the most of it - that's superb.

8. Link

He can be quick or a little slow depending on the swing of the sword. I like the new tornado boomerang, and his range is added with his bow and arrow. He's not the flashiest of characters, and his final smash seems to be useful only against one opponent (although it's possible to get more), but Link is Link. He's a bad boy and he's really not that hard to use. The problem I think people may have with him is that he's not as flashy as some of the other characters. But if that's his only problem - who cares?

7. Falco

Wow. Surprise surprise. No one was expecting this I bet! If you were, then you know why I'm putting this here. Falco gives me fits when I'm brawling, playing on Classic, and when playing on All-Star. He gives me fits because he's quick like Fox and has the strength like Wolf. No he's not as fast as Fox, but I would be so bold as to say he's almost as strong as Wolf. Falco fights like a cool bird playing 2nd fiddle to Fox. He's tough, he's fast, and he embodies everything you need in a brawler.

6. Samus

If this was Melee, Samus might be lower, but because Samus can essentially change into an entirely different character without sacrificing any of her moves to get there is something magnificent. I was pretty bummed when I found out you couldn't pick Samus from the regular character lineup. But after further review there are ways around this at the character selection screen and also in game without a final smash. All in all having essentially two characters to choose from helps out the character of Samus. Because with all her array of well varied moves and special attacks she is the only character with a true second character to play with.

5. Pikachu

I was brawling with Pikachu the other day and you know what I thought... "Holy Pokemon". Ok, so I didn't say that, but gracious, Pikachu is a monster. His down B attack is enough to make a grown man throw his controller through a window and hit the neighbours dog in frustration. Pikachu is quick and strong for his size. His final smash is a bit hard to control, but hey, he can't have everything right?

4. Snake

One of the only reasons Snake isn't number one is because it's hard to figure out your strategy with him (i.e., he acts like a beginner character to a degree, but when you start using him you realize you need to know what you are doing or else you will walk into your own traps). His regular hand-to-hand attacks are surprisingly strong, and his weapons are even better, but you'll have to get used to the lag in some of his attacks and his final smash to use the Foxhound spy the best.

3. Marth

He is everything Ike isn't. He's got speed people and his swing of the sword is just right. His counterattack (when used properly) can be deadly. I remember one time when I hadn't played Melee in a while, I played a couple of people I knew and both of them chose Marth and both of them whipped my behind. Marth is a force to be reckoned with.

2. Lucas

Lucas looks pretty much like Ness, except he's a blondie. But don't let that fool you, Lucas can take you out! His Psi attacks are ridiculous and they aren't even his special moves. The smash attacks are what make Lucas so good in my eyes and I love using him. Unlike Ness who just uses a yoyo on his up B and down B attacks, Lucas uses a Psi attack that can send your opponent flying. When executed at the right time you can really put the other brawlers on their heals but a downside is that his final smash (with the right amount of dodges and awareness) can be rendered ineffective.

1. Kirby

BYYYYYEEEYYEEYYYEE! Don't you hate hearing that after Kirby K.O.'s you - his stupid little taunt. All jokes aside, Kirby is the best all round character. Yes, he's the easiest character to use and some might say the cheapest, but at the same time he has his weakness. He's light and can be smashed pretty quickly but Kirby is the epitome of what a brawler should be - fast, quick, agile, strong, stealthy and deceptive and not forgetting to mention Kirby can copy any one of the Brawlers. Kirby is the best all round character in my opinion.
Nintendorules26
Seen it. Yes, it sucks.
GotWater
Lawlz, he put two of my top 3 (Kirby and Jiggs) at the top and bottom, and rated my main (ice climbers) based on their performance in Coin matches
solidpit
27. Toon Link

He's here simply because he's not as good as the real thing and he's lighter. Don't get me wrong, he can be a force to be reckoned with and I like playing with him, but he's just a spawn off of Link and he's not AS good as some of the other characters on this list.

8. Link

He can be quick or a little slow depending on the swing of the sword. I like the new tornado boomerang, and his range is added with his bow and arrow. He's not the flashiest of characters, and his final smash seems to be useful only against one opponent (although it's possible to get more), but Link is Link. He's a bad boy and he's really not that hard to use. The problem I think people may have with him is that he's not as flashy as some of the other characters. But if that's his only problem - who cares?

WTF!?!?

Potsy
yeah freakin right. TL=27 HA
Falco is better
Kirby is way worse


anyways the whole thing is wrong...whoever made that crap sucks
charizard9200
First bull s*** on Toon Link.
I can use him much better than Link.
And second.....lol.png Kirby is number 1.Tongue.png
He is my main but I still say he isn't one.....not until there is an official list.
Also he doesn't say bye.....he says hi.
....moron.Tongue.png
Ozzie23
That's just plain retarded. This guy is obviously some noob trying to seem important.
Ultra_Luigi
He takes Final Smashes into account but those rankings are still way off. I could do a much better job at it that’s for sure.
Mattvideo
whie Mario being in the middle is cool w/ me, dude's reasoning just sucks completely. Mario can rack up some great damage if used right and he has some nice kill moves. He's middleman on most counts w/ some bonuses here and there. A plus is he can Kill a recovering Ness or Lucas w/ FLUDD!
bell505
all he said about sonic was that hes weak but very fast
Lilfurbal
Well, I'm not really for ranking the characters but I agree with him on certain things. Wolf has generally been an over-rated character so he has put Wolf in his place. I do have Wolf as a secondary though, but I don't consider him godly.

Also it's nice to see someone who can respect Yoshi for what he is. That just about sums it up.

Don't have an opinion for much else, but of the lists I've been reading since this game came out this one is prolly the one I agree with most.

Ganon1998
He said Ike is tough to figure out and use... wut.png

ANYONE can pick up Ike and start massacre-ing the competition...
It takes a good amount refining to be able to overcome his attack lag and to be able to get around fast, but for the beginner, Ike is an extremely easy character to use.

At least IMO.
xoftheuniverse
I lol at this list ...The melee kirby was better and he is most certainly #1..., olimar should replace puff, and it's all wrong...
Red Alert
QUOTE (Lilfurbal @ Apr 1 2008, 09:05 PM) *
Well, I'm not really for ranking the characters but I agree with him on certain things. Wolf has generally been an over-rated character so he has put Wolf in his place. I do have Wolf as a secondary though, but I don't consider him godly.

Also it's nice to see someone who can respect Yoshi for what he is. That just about sums it up.

Don't have an opinion for much else, but of the lists I've been reading since this game came out this one is prolly the one I agree with most.

you obviously haven't played against me, then.

why don't you head over to the match finder board and join the ranks of the defeated
Eru Roraito
Is he serious?

How is Link above Toon Link?
Sir Piranha
"11. Ness

Ness just made it out of the top ten because of one thing - learnability (and yes I do know that's not a word, its funny). Yes, you read right, Ness is a little bit harder to control than Lucas. His up, down, and side A attacks are quick, but they aren't that great. Don't get me wrong, Ness is a wonderful brawler, but he had to just squeak out of the top ten because of the ability for gamers to learn how to use him."

I thought learnability WAS a word? Isn't it?

Anyways, this list is way off.
peteypiranha128
wowwwwwwwww 16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
Eru Roraito
QUOTE (Piranha3 @ Apr 2 2008, 04:28 AM) *
"11. Ness

Ness just made it out of the top ten because of one thing - learnability (and yes I do know that's not a word, its funny). Yes, you read right, Ness is a little bit harder to control than Lucas. His up, down, and side A attacks are quick, but they aren't that great. Don't get me wrong, Ness is a wonderful brawler, but he had to just squeak out of the top ten because of the ability for gamers to learn how to use him."

I thought learnability WAS a word? Isn't it?

Anyways, this list is way off.

Lol, it is a word.
Parakeet.
Yoshi, Kirby, and Meta Knight being higher than Olimar equals auto-fail.
A_Warring_God
Jigglypuff is last? Wtf?
Redneckzilla
Wow this guy just made a favorite list..
missingnomaster
that guy needs to get banana chained by Diddy. Seriously.
ERRORCODE
QUOTE (AlexZeSmash @ Apr 2 2008, 08:33 AM) *
Wow this guy just made a favorite list..

Yeah, I agree.

This list would be better off in reverse order. >__> As soon as I saw JigglyPuff at number 35, I knew I couldn't take this list seriously. Marth shouldn't be ranked ahead of Ike at all. I don't see his logic there. Of course Ike is slow, but Marth's attacks are completely useless when compared to Ike's. Also, I would expect to see Kirby around 15 at best, but not one.

Hmm, not all of the choices are bad, but for the most part I don't think this list is accurate...
missingnomaster
QUOTE (ERRORCODE @ Apr 2 2008, 06:58 AM) *
QUOTE (AlexZeSmash @ Apr 2 2008, 08:33 AM) *
Wow this guy just made a favorite list..

Yeah, I agree.

This list would be better off in reverse order. >__> As soon as I saw JigglyPuff at number 35, I knew I couldn't take this list seriously. Marth shouldn't be ranked ahead of Ike at all. I don't see his logic there. Of course Ike is slow, but Marth's attacks are completely useless when compared to Ike's. I would expect to see Kirby around 15 at best, but not one.

Hmm, not all of the choices are bad, but for the most part I don't think this list is accurate...


Ike being better than Marth is certainly arguable, but his placement of Diddy Kong really is horrible. Especially after I saw what Diddy can do. I'll see if I can find the combo video I'm talking about.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zxFkTdCbRTg
Gamer
Toon Link at 27, WRONG. And Olimar deserves a higher spot. Whatever, it really is his opinion. Probably only tells who his best and worst characters are. 16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
Bluuyoshiii
Load of Sh*t Kirby can't really be the No.1 Brawler!
Goombario
Jigglypuff is way way better than number 35 16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
She's my Main!
DragonKazooie89
Yay Kirby! I love his jumping abilities and stone attack. I like the Ice Climbers because you are able to use two items at once and their smash attacks are great. I hardly ever get them separated in battle.
Gamer
QUOTE (DragonKazooie89 @ Apr 2 2008, 12:53 PM) *
Yay Kirby! I love his jumping abilities and stone attack. I like the Ice Climbers because you are able to use two items at once and their smash attacks are great. I hardly ever get them separated in battle.


They don't get separated as often in Brawl, do they?
POKERULER
QUOTE (Potsy @ Apr 1 2008, 09:17 PM) *
yeah freakin right. TL=27 HA
Falco is better
Kirby is way worse


anyways the whole thing is wrong...whoever made that crap sucks

don't you dare diss kirby
Vaati
Yes, you made the right choice putting Kirby as the #1 character. However, Toon Link and Olimar should be higher. Top 15 I reckon.
DragonKazooie89
QUOTE (Gamer @ Apr 2 2008, 09:55 AM) *
QUOTE (DragonKazooie89 @ Apr 2 2008, 12:53 PM) *
Yay Kirby! I love his jumping abilities and stone attack. I like the Ice Climbers because you are able to use two items at once and their smash attacks are great. I hardly ever get them separated in battle.


They don't get separated as often in Brawl, do they?

Nope, but it hardly happened to me in Melee as well except for when my brother grabbed the CPU-controlled Ice Climber. Pikachu is another main of mine and I love his smash and Thunder attacks.
Luigitornadoe
Of course I do not agree with this joker. Although he did not have anything bad to say about luigi. Some of his remarks are just wrong.
Twilit Nsider
Toon Link can kick Kirby's *S*

At 27, that's retarded. It's not the "Tornado" boomerang, it's the GALE boomerang!

Ice climbers based on coin matches?

Ganondorf in case everyone desides to gang up on you?

That's list sucks
Lilfurbal
Everyone keeps mentioning that they don't see how certain characters got rated so low and others high. Obviously someone has to be ranked last, and unless you've became an expert with all the characters you will play certain characters very poorly. If I made a list like this from my current skill jigglypuff would still be very low on the list, unfortunately. I can't rate a character I completely suck with high, it doesn't work like that.

I mean, this guy did say he is not an expert in any way.

Also from my personal experience with Olimar (I have tried to use him seriously but I just can't) I would rate him rather low as well.

Also Toon Link seems to be my "Lonliest Character", o,0

There is no right and wrong when it comes to someones opinion on the character list. People look entirely too deep into all this. People keep saying stuff like Wolf should be near the top where Yoshi should be much lower, but I have little to no difficulty defeating Wolf players with Yoshi so how is that judged. Everyone's own personal tier list will always be different.

Solidfox
Theres no way you can "Rank" these characters. Its based on how good you are with them. To Solidfox, Snake is number one. To someone else however, Snake is last. Its all opinion and skill. Also, why the crap is Lucas in the front, he.... *Walks away*
LINK_AND_SHEIK
LOLOLOLOLOL @ the whole thing
FERROSEx16
They hate Meta Knight because his FS doesn't always hit. You could say that for every character. >_>

This was written by idiots.
Red Alert
QUOTE (Lilfurbal @ Apr 2 2008, 11:58 AM) *
Everyone keeps mentioning that they don't see how certain characters got rated so low and others high. Obviously someone has to be ranked last, and unless you've became an expert with all the characters you will play certain characters very poorly. If I made a list like this from my current skill jigglypuff would still be very low on the list, unfortunately. I can't rate a character I completely suck with high, it doesn't work like that.

I mean, this guy did say he is not an expert in any way.

Also from my personal experience with Olimar (I have tried to use him seriously but I just can't) I would rate him rather low as well.

Also Toon Link seems to be my "Lonliest Character", o,0

There is no right and wrong when it comes to someones opinion on the character list. People look entirely too deep into all this. People keep saying stuff like Wolf should be near the top where Yoshi should be much lower, but I have little to no difficulty defeating Wolf players with Yoshi so how is that judged. Everyone's own personal tier list will always be different.

this logic is just silly. a list of character rankings, or a tier list as it is more commonly called, ranks all characters based on their metagame (current known potential). this means that just because you personally can beat crummy wolves with yoshi, doesn't mean yoshi is better than wolf. The fact is that, when played to his potential, wolf is a much better character than yoshi.

Trying to argue that the best character is based on someone's preference is just stupid, and it's kinda sad when someone who's passed 3rd grade still thinks like that
God of Fatalities
[color="#FF0000"][/color]This shouldn't bother anyone.
I personally don't care, I'll play with whoever I want in any fights.

Besides, this list of "tiers" is just made up of who he's good with, not for everyone else.


QUOTE (God of Fatalities @ Apr 2 2008, 03:17 PM) *
This shouldn't bother anyone.
I personally don't care, I'll play with whoever I want in any fights.

Besides, this list of "tiers" is just made up of who he's good with, not for everyone else.

Anarchyzoo41
Mario can kick Warios ass anyday. And I know people who use Ness, and Lucas. The ness users are WAY better.

this list is shit
Metroid Hunter
Lmao, that's one of the worst lists I've ever seen.
KCCHIEFS88
bump. people need to see this guys epicness at rating
Lilfurbal
QUOTE (Red Alert @ Apr 2 2008, 02:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Lilfurbal @ Apr 2 2008, 11:58 AM) *
Everyone keeps mentioning that they don't see how certain characters got rated so low and others high. Obviously someone has to be ranked last, and unless you've became an expert with all the characters you will play certain characters very poorly. If I made a list like this from my current skill jigglypuff would still be very low on the list, unfortunately. I can't rate a character I completely suck with high, it doesn't work like that.

I mean, this guy did say he is not an expert in any way.

Also from my personal experience with Olimar (I have tried to use him seriously but I just can't) I would rate him rather low as well.

Also Toon Link seems to be my "Lonliest Character", o,0

There is no right and wrong when it comes to someones opinion on the character list. People look entirely too deep into all this. People keep saying stuff like Wolf should be near the top where Yoshi should be much lower, but I have little to no difficulty defeating Wolf players with Yoshi so how is that judged. Everyone's own personal tier list will always be different.

this logic is just silly. a list of character rankings, or a tier list as it is more commonly called, ranks all characters based on their metagame (current known potential). this means that just because you personally can beat crummy wolves with yoshi, doesn't mean yoshi is better than wolf. The fact is that, when played to his potential, wolf is a much better character than yoshi.

Trying to argue that the best character is based on someone's preference is just stupid, and it's kinda sad when someone who's passed 3rd grade still thinks like that


There's nothing that would say that an expert Wolf user would, by default, beat an expert Yoshi user. Thinking that is just silly. Have you seen Yoshi played to his potential before? It would seem most likely not. Fewer people use Yoshi, so even fewer master him. It may be a rare enounter when you do play against a Yoshi user, but everyone plays as Wolf because he is 'so cool looking'. On another note, it also seems that Yoshi's forward smash does about the same damage as Wolf's forward smash, so Wolf's attacks are not stronger. I've actually tested this out in training mode. The best character overall will generally be the average opinion of everyone who gave their opinion, and as such the lesser played characters will always be rated lower since, on average, they are played by less people. I don't know what happened to Ganon, (since I don't use him and didn't in melee) but I know people aren't playing Yoshi because he sucks, they seem to fear his play style. He plays differently.

I don't personally believe in the need for a 'tier list', because by no matter what statistics you look at it will never be accurate with always a different amount of people choosing to master certain characters. Since the tiers will never be accurate, what are they trying to prove? A skilled player with any character can beat a skilled player with any other character. Just who has the most skill? We aren't winning by luck...well, unless you have items turned on.

Onatu
This guy stinks. Each of my people are at bottom tier, and I rock with them. Hows that for "hard to control"?! This guy really doesn't know what he's talking about.
ADMiRALBOBBERY42
QUOTE (Keeta @ Apr 2 2008, 03:11 PM) *
LOLOLOLOLOL @ the whole thing



This.



Seriously, that guy's a n00b. What's with bringing two guys who creamed him with Marth in Melee?
What a retarded list >.<
Red Alert
QUOTE (Lilfurbal @ Apr 2 2008, 06:52 PM) *
There's nothing that would say that an expert Wolf user would, by default, beat an expert Yoshi user. Thinking that is just silly. Have you seen Yoshi played to his potential before? It would seem most likely not. Fewer people use Yoshi, so even fewer master him. It may be a rare enounter when you do play against a Yoshi user, but everyone plays as Wolf because he is 'so cool looking'. On another note, it also seems that Yoshi's forward smash does about the same damage as Wolf's forward smash, so Wolf's attacks are not stronger. I've actually tested this out in training mode. The best character overall will generally be the average opinion of everyone who gave their opinion, and as such the lesser played characters will always be rated lower since, on average, they are played by less people. I don't know what happened to Ganon, (since I don't use him and didn't in melee) but I know people aren't playing Yoshi because he sucks, they seem to fear his play style. He plays differently.

I don't personally believe in the need for a 'tier list', because by no matter what statistics you look at it will never be accurate with always a different amount of people choosing to master certain characters. Since the tiers will never be accurate, what are they trying to prove? A skilled player with any character can beat a skilled player with any other character. Just who has the most skill? We aren't winning by luck...well, unless you have items turned on.

At peak meta game, a wolf player will always beat an equally skilled yoshi player. This is because wolf is, from a neutral standpoint, statically better than Yoshi. His moves are faster, he has better ko moves, and he is better at comboing. Yoshi has 0 advantages over wolf and wolf has every advantage over yoshi.

you know what? I don't even know why I'm explaining this to you. It's obvious you've never played a game competitively in your life and you have no idea how game mechanics work.
Linkissocool
omg wow
Are you kidding me ?
Zelda can kick butt, I've seen some excellent Zelda users online who practically don't even let you make a move. It's just bam bam bam and you're dead, she really is deadly if you know how to use her.
Super_Luigi_128
I could make a better list. And I'm biased towards everyone.
Lilfurbal
QUOTE (Red Alert @ Apr 2 2008, 11:29 PM) *
QUOTE (Lilfurbal @ Apr 2 2008, 06:52 PM) *
There's nothing that would say that an expert Wolf user would, by default, beat an expert Yoshi user. Thinking that is just silly. Have you seen Yoshi played to his potential before? It would seem most likely not. Fewer people use Yoshi, so even fewer master him. It may be a rare enounter when you do play against a Yoshi user, but everyone plays as Wolf because he is 'so cool looking'. On another note, it also seems that Yoshi's forward smash does about the same damage as Wolf's forward smash, so Wolf's attacks are not stronger. I've actually tested this out in training mode. The best character overall will generally be the average opinion of everyone who gave their opinion, and as such the lesser played characters will always be rated lower since, on average, they are played by less people. I don't know what happened to Ganon, (since I don't use him and didn't in melee) but I know people aren't playing Yoshi because he sucks, they seem to fear his play style. He plays differently.

I don't personally believe in the need for a 'tier list', because by no matter what statistics you look at it will never be accurate with always a different amount of people choosing to master certain characters. Since the tiers will never be accurate, what are they trying to prove? A skilled player with any character can beat a skilled player with any other character. Just who has the most skill? We aren't winning by luck...well, unless you have items turned on.

At peak meta game, a wolf player will always beat an equally skilled yoshi player. This is because wolf is, from a neutral standpoint, statically better than Yoshi. His moves are faster, he has better ko moves, and he is better at comboing. Yoshi has 0 advantages over wolf and wolf has every advantage over yoshi.

you know what? I don't even know why I'm explaining this to you. It's obvious you've never played a game competitively in your life and you have no idea how game mechanics work.


I'm gonna say that I main both Yoshi and Wolf, so actually I'm very familiar with the way both play and am effective with both. My comparison's of both Yoshi and Wolf are thus valid, and I can KO just as effectively with both of them. I don't consider myself anything near what people consider a 'pro' level with any character, but back in the N64 smash brother days I did play this game competitively. I was also in high school at that time and as time went on have been gaming less and less, but I mained Yoshi in that game and was able to come out on top more often than not (but I will admit, I had a hard time fighting against Fox at that point, but they were also a good player and I was most definately able to defeat them).

Of course this all means nothing in the here and now, and no, I have not played melee or brawl for anything other than the sheer fun of playing with friends. I don't play games much anymore for whatever reason. But for someone who is both experienced with Yoshi and Wolf I can honestly say, they don't differ as much as people think. Yoshi is also a freaking combo monster~ so I don't see how Wolf would combo better. Wolf's speed isn't really drastically different either really, he jumps faster, but Yoshi jumps higher. Yoshi seems to have more effective aerials though, but Yoshi excels at air combat, thus he can stay in the air for a longer period of time.

Now, I would suggest you stop talking to me as if I have no experience with any characters in the game, as if I never played another character other than Yoshi. I can't stress how wrong you would be.


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