Prove me wrong.

(I'm talking about Brawl, so you can put away the melee videos and prevent poor satire)

Agreed. Nerfed from melee.

I totally agree they put her in a cage and killed her.

This was supposed to secretely be bait for Sheik dittos, but this obviously isn't working because everyone agrees (which I can't blame them for).

k, I'm totally gonna prove you wrong!!!

She, um...


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...well, there was...no....

...wait...

...okay, I GOT IT.

She has a tether recovery now. x3

...

...that almost counts for something, right? >.>

Ok let me say this, im not one to EVER give up on a character.
But Sheik is so ridiculous its not even funny,
Like I honestly can do NOTHING to win with sheik.

tethers suck in this game.

I win 50% of the time I use Sheik.

Sorry, I forgot the </sarcasm> there?

I do don't do well as Sheik, but I'm sure many people can do well with her. It's the same scenario with Pichu on Melee. Some people do well with Pichu, some don't.

Sheik is not it's own character, It is a combination of Zelda and Sheik, that is how you judge them, if at all.

Also, just because you, (and apparently many other nsiders) suck at a character does not mean that the character sucks. It means that they do not fit your play style.

I never use Sheik anymore.

Shiek just sucks, mad style.

Lol I was exxagerating. Im not that bad,
but yea id say about 50% of tha time Id win.
Whereas in melee id win anywhere from 90-100%

That was wrong on so many levels


Sheik ditto?

You can seperately judge Sheik and Zelda.

That's proof enough that that Sheik doesn't "suck".

Yes, there's something that Sheik has lost since Melee. Her smash attacks are a lot less effective, and the strategy of getting your opponents percentage high with Sheik and then quickly switching to Zelda for the finish with a powerful grab or smash is completely gone since it takes like 5 seconds to switch

However, what Sheik did gain is great manuverability (being able to crawl, hang from walls, and use a tether is great... though it sometimes fails ) If it weren't for the lag on her down-air Sheik would be pwnsome.

I'm sure if someone dedicates time to her, Sheik could be very formidable (though we wouldn't ever dream of neglecting Zelda though, cause she's half of Sheik... err... the same person )

You can become a very skilled Sheik user no doubt, the same can be said for pretty much any character, however, I think we can all agree that Sheik has many moves in Brawl that were much more effective in Melee. Hit by the nerf hammer xD.

I'm a Zelda Main, i do have to say, Zelda has been beefed up, and shiek has been nerfed a bit. But i still like playing as both.

Me I'm ( >_>; ) using her more than any other character and she's barely my 4th best... she gets KO'd easy, she's weak, and only has 2 good kill moves, both of which have long starting lag.

Not good.

Oh yeah! I'll agree with you on that. Zelda turned into a beast in Brawl. Lulz

Her specials (obviously not Down-B ) got a significant boost. And Farore's Wind has the nice added effect of a small explosion upon re-entry (it's really funny catching people with it ).

Aside from their overall powerfulness, Zelda's move look really pretty this time around (Her Up-Air... Wow... The explosion almost looks real )

Her uair was SO much prettier in Melee...when I first got the game and used her, Iwent to use that attack, and after using it, I just kinda stared at the screen and thought "...where the hell'd my big kaboom go!? D:<"

right, her smashes are pretty mcuh non-ecapeable, wheres in Melee theyr almost always where. Her aerials are hard to use but some of the strongest in the game. Dins also has a larger blast radius.

As for Shiek i dont' tlike her new down aerial- it s like ZSS and Sonics, her up aerial is weaker too. I do like the ability to save needles and move around w/ them ( was this is melee??, if so i never noticed) I think the defiantly should of beefed up her chain even more-same goes for her explosion when she disappears...

I still like here though

Lulz. Yeah, it was a bigger explosion, but the move is still very powerful (can't argue with that )

she has some good attacks, but really, stick with zelda. Well at least she didn't get nerfed as mych as samus!! did she?

Sheik is a cheap character

I don't even bother transforming zelda anymore...

No.

More, I'd say. I can still KO decently with Samus, you just need to use her aerial game a bit more. Her bair is good for KOing, which I don't at all remember from Melee, although it might've been good then too.

The Chain got weaker... and it was one of my favorite moves too... Though the electric tip is a nice touch (I'll have to learn to master it)

And yeah, you could save your needles in Melee. You just had to press the sheild button to stop collecting them.

As for Sheik's aerials, her Back-Air and Neutral-Air are pretty strong, so I've been practicing RARing (it's useful for Ike too ).

Samus wasn't nerfed as much as everyone thinks

The electric tip on the chain was in Melee too Although I think the chain was a real waste in both games. Too much startup/ending lag, and people could hit you out of it easily. It was great for guarding projectiles vs. camping foes though

And don't care about her aerials now, I miss how awesome her fair was in Melee D:

I know, I'm guessing the only people that think she was insanely nerfed were the projectile spammers. Well, news for you; there's always been more to Samus than spamming bombs, charge shots, and missiles. In this game, it feels more like her aerial game traded abilities with her ground game; her smashes feel weaker, but her aerial attacks feel stronger. Tilts are pretty much teh same, which, considering how ownage of a dtilt she has, is a good thing <3

Marth is now a very viable sheik counter. YES!

I dunno, for some reason fighting in the aerial game scares me a little (the ground feels so much safer). I mean, when you're in the air you're wide open.

Yeah, staying on the ground when you have 120% is the best option.

Not necessarily with the new air dodge mechanics, it might actually be safer and more dangerous to your opponent.

Air dodging is great now :3 Especially since on the ground you're vulnerable to being thrown out of shielding or dsmashed out of rolling.

agree

O_o Oh... Yeah... that happens to me a lot... (friggin' D-smash )

Y'know what, I'll give it a try.

Agreed. The only Tether is very useful is Samus's. Grapple Beam FTW